The Poepol of the Week Award goes to: Matt

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Here is another good example of a real poepol, named Matt. He writes on the News24 Website: “We are Christians. My son is still young, but we are already doing our homework to find a good, Christian school for him that teaches Creation in place of Evolution and the Big Bang Theory.” ………….”The point is that in a country where we supposedly have religious freedom, in actual fact we do not. Either South Africa’s public education system relies on the ignorance of parents, or clearly violates our Constitution. ” Just because his dogma bullshit is not taught in the public schools anymore, he starts crying that his human rights are been violated. Typical persecution syndrome all fundamentalists suffer from. A good example of a self inflicted wound, that he is determined to inflict on his own child too. But he demands that it also gets inflicted on all other children, to make things more convenient for him and his delusional brethren. Lies for jesus. An ignoramus who clings to the “facts” of an ancient book written in the bronze age by an ignorant bunch of nomadic goat herders who treated their women like livestock. He doesn’t even know what the word theory means in context to evolution. This brain dead moron has never read a single book but his precious bible.

Congratulations Matt, you are South Africa’s Poepol of the Week!!!!

No religious freedom in SA

2011-07-21 13:06

by Matt

Brothers and sisters, we live in South Africa; a country that is purported to have freedom of religion.

To quote our Constitution: Section 31 states that “Persons belonging to a cultural, religious or linguistic community may not be denied the right, with other members of that community to enjoy their culture, practice their religion and use their language; and to form, join and maintain cultural, religious and linguistic associations and other organs of civil society.”

Section 16 contains detailed provisions with regards to freedom of expression, stating “Everyone has the right to freedom of expression, which includes freedom of the press and other media; freedom to receive or impart information or ideas; freedom of artistic creativity; and academic freedom and freedom of scientific research.”

Well, although this may be a part of our Constitution, I have just learned that there is at least one area where this is blatantly ignored, and as a result our freedom of religion is denied.

We are Christians. My son is still young, but we are already doing our homework to find a good, Christian school for him that teaches Creation in place of Evolution and the Big Bang Theory. We are doing this for two reasons:

1) Christianity and evolution are not compatible at all. The Bible teaches that God created everything, including us, and we are created unique, yet all in His image, which makes us special. The Big Bang Theory teaches that everything came from nothing and that we are just evolved from animals, which means we are nothing more than mere organisms. Although many have tried to mix Christianity with this theory, it is absolutely impossible to do so without compromising the Bible or adding to the Scriptures.

2) If Evolution et al were factual; that is, provable beyond any doubt, we would have no reason to deny our son that teaching. If schools want to teach about the existence of the theory, that is fine. But school textbooks make the theory out to be factual when it has still never been proven. Worse, they use lies to support the theory and pass them off as facts. For example, Ernst Haeckel devised the notion in 1869 of “ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny”. For 5 years he travelled throughout Germany to tell people that there is proof for human evolution because our embryos briefly display “gill slits” like fish. His own university, the University of Jena, held a trial and he confessed that he had deliberately lied – with false claims and false drawings of embryos – in order to get people to believe in evolution. However, 137 years later, this proven lie is still used as “proof” in many textbooks and TV documentaries. I simply refuse to have my son lied to at school!

We are perfectly within our rights to do so. Apparently though, it is too much for me to ask that my son is not taught lies. In other countries, it is possible you have your child excluded from a particular class or subject on the grounds that it goes against your religious belief. However, I have learned that this is not possible in South Africa. The school district decides on the curriculum, including which subjects are required. If your child is in a public school and you object for whatever reason to a subject; if that subject is required teaching, the school is required to teach your child this subject regardless of your feelings.

Complaining to the school is futile because their curriculum is dictated by the school district. If you have further objection, your only recourse is to take it to the Department of Education. So far, my experience with them in general is that you write to them and they flat out ignore you.

The point of me writing this is NOT to start a creation-evolution debate. We have plenty of those on News24 already! The point is that in a country where we supposedly have religious freedom, in actual fact we do not. Either South Africa’s public education system relies on the ignorance of parents, or clearly violates our Constitution.

In the case of my concern, I write as a Christian but this particular topic easily applies to followers of Christianity, Judaism and Islam, for all are founded on the belief that there is a Creator God.

So what does this mean for my son’s education? Well, he is currently attending a very good crèche in our area. He is learning Christian stuff; however, the crèche is a feeder school for a local public school, which will teach him material for which we have valid reasons to object. Or to put it simply, what is the point of the crèche teaching him certain values when public school will teach the exact opposite?

And as parents who are now worried about what our son will learn at school, with clear ignorance of our rights by the public education system, it looks like we have no option but to go private. Right now the only school we can find in a 20km radius is in Modderfontein, which means we will have to move to an area where rent is double; it means paying a lot of money each month. Fortunately for us, we could just about afford it, even if we have to make cutbacks. But not everybody can afford private school, can they?

One day, it is my dream to start a Creation Ministry in South Africa to teach people and get people saved, as well as fight the Department of Education. But in my current absence of paperwork, money and backing, all I can do for now is plead with parents to take an active interest in your children’s school curriculum and make sure that what they are being taught is both correct, and not in violation of your right to religious freedom. If either of those is in question, storm the schools, districts and Department of Education with your complaints. It is our duty as parents to give our children the best of everything and to protect them from the ills of the world – such a pity that one of those ills is the very government that is meant to serve us!

Finally, just something that all Christian teachers should seriously consider:

James 3:1 – My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.

Matthew 18:6 – But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

In other words, in your role as a teacher it is vital that you be truthful, because it is you who receives the greater condemnation – for if you teach something that is wrong, your pupils will believe you and they will go on to teach others that which is wrong. And be extremely careful about what you teach our children, and know what Jesus says about those teaching something that goes against His Word and corrupts the children!

I would welcome the Department of Education to answer and refute what I write – because that would mean they’re addressing the concern of worried parents. I doubt they will though…

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33 thoughts on “The Poepol of the Week Award goes to: Matt

  1. When one spends a little time reading how genes function at the molecular level, the complexity of life functions is awesome; it is wonderful; it is an indescribable beauty. And every year more and more of these phenomena are revealed by rigorous experiments by scientists – thousands of scientists. Then along comes poepol van die week, Matt, who just rejects all the scientific findings because his holy book tells him differently. Understanding the fact of evolution lead to the syntheses of modern antibiotics and life saving drugs, but no, poepol van die week, Matt, rejects these facts. Why? Because the way he interprets his book tells him not to believe facts. Then he also thinks he has the right to abuse his child’s brain to think like he thinks. People like these must be declared unfit parents and their children taken from them.

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  2. Matt, start looking on Craigslist for a good used time machine. You can travel back to the “Dark Ages” , and see how you fit in there.

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  3. Matt,

    No matter what you do to limit your child’s exposure to the world of thoughts; a child will ultimately become exposed to a number of ideas over the course of a life time. It is his/her life and they will ultimately choose their path as you have. Teach them that many theories that are label facts many times are just theories. What you need to instill in your child is that their are many theories in this world worth exploring. Each individual can decide on the merits of the theory and determine whether they will accept or reject it based on their beliefs or understanding. Don’t limit your child’s mind to one dogma but let them explore and question.

    Your job is to help guide them through the different ideas until they let go of your hand and explore it on their own. Teach them that theories change as we as humans mature and gain further understanding. Teach them this early and they are more apt to explore life’s possiblities later. Allow them to be open to the world of ideas, who knows you may have the next greatest scientist, doctor, inventor on your hands. Whose knows you may even gain new insights from your child’s exploration and development.

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  4. HEY MATT,

    I SEE THAT I WILL BE THE ONLY ONE THAT AGREES WITH YOU. THIS EVOLUTION CRAP IS ACTUALLY “DEVILUTION”
    LUCKLY WE KNOW THAT THE IMPOSSIBLE IS POSSIBLE WITH OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR. HE CAN DO ANYTHING. THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT WILL COME WHEN ALL THE PEOPLE ABOVE WILL ALSO HAVE TO GIVE EXPLANATIONS ON THEIR LIVES ON EARTH.
    MATT, STAND FIRM, GOD WILL DO WHAT IS NEEDED. I BELIEVE IN THIS 100%.
    MATTHEW17:20 “VERIRLY I SAY UNTO YOU, IF YOU HAVE FAITH AS A GRAIN OF MUSTARD SEED, YOU SHALL SAY UNTO THIS MOUNTAIN, REMOVE HENCE TO ANOTHER PLACE, AND IT SHALL REMOVE, AND NOTHING SHALL BE IMPOSSIBLE TO YOU.”

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    • ”Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of a spiritless situation. It is the opium of the people.”
      (Karl Marx)

      You must check your computer key board, Angie, there is a tab on the left that says “Caps Lock”. Press it next time before you write something. Capital letters throughout an epistle is bad taste, as well as an indication of a very strong brand of opium smoked.

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      • I hope you’re not rich Savage, because Karl Marx would NOT have liked that – he didn’t believe in capitalism and all that. And how exactly was he qualified to comment on religion?

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        • Pretty well qualified, I would say. Just read his words again and see how it stood the test of time. His ideologies were wrong because he never realised how barbarous the human race was – it must be controlled by force. But he was spot on with religion.

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          • “As long as there are rogues and fools, there will be religious. Ours is unquestionably the most ridiculous and most absurd and bloodiest ever infected the world”
            (Voltaire)

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            • J’aime beaucoup Voltaire.
              … maar Savage, Malherbe and McBrolloks, ek moet bieg.

              Ek praat nie Afrikaans nie maar ek is lief vir hierdie taal om te leer en te praat.
              Ek praat Engels maar dit is nie my moedertaal nie. Ek ook praat Spaans en ‘n bietjie Nederlandse en Italiaans en Portugees meer ek is ‘n vrou en ‘n ​​blonde vrou … hehe … Ja ‘n blonde Belgiese vrou wat Frans praat.

              Ek hoop dat julle en Batgod sal my vergewe !
              Batgod asseblief bid vir my !

              Ek geniet hierdie blog meer ek geniet altyd leer.
              Afrikaanse taal is baie lekker. Enige idees is welkom om wat meer om hierdie taal te leer. Baie Dankie ! Voortgaan Ouens ! Gesondheid !

              “Tant qu’il y aura des fripons et des imbéciles, il y aura des religions. La nôtre est sans contredit la plus ridicule, la plus absurde, et la plus sanguinaire qui ait jamais infecté le monde.” ~Voltaire

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              • Hi Juliet K

                Jy is baie beter in die sin van meer taligheid as ek. Hier in Suid Afrika het die onderwysers 12 jaar geneem om Engels in my kop te kry, so ‘n derde taal is maar moeilik. Jy het natuurlik (dink ek) Flaams geleer in België – die land van Jaques Brell. McBrolloks het ‘n lekker blog hier en ek dink almal geniet dit hier. (Behalwe natuurlik so ‘n paar godbots wat hier hulle opinies gee maar vinnig verdwyn as hulle teenstand kry.)

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                • Baie Dankie Savage !
                  Jy is baie beter in die sin van die wetenskap van rasionele denke.
                  Taligheid is goed vir my. Ek hou daarvan om te praat, te kommunikeer en te verstaan.
                  Maar vir my, religionism was zo moeilijk te sien deur. Baie meer dan 20 jaar te navorsing godsdienste (met klein probleem gewees met ‘n musulmans seuntjie – Nou ek lag) en te uiteindelik verstaan.
                  Die godbots gee my ‘n goeie lag … met die godbots, dit makliker is om ‘n besluit te maak !
                  Dankie om te deel julle denke, altyd baie interessant !
                  In die entoesiasme van jou skryfwerk, alles van die beste !

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          • “it must be controlled by force” ? – hoekom sê jy so? snaakse ding om te sê. Ja, Karl Marx se ideologiee was eerder idiootlogiee.

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            • As die mens nie gepolisiëer word nie, verval hy terug na sy inherente barbaarsheid. Lees hierdie:

              Adjudication by an armed authority appears to be the most effective general violence-reduction technique ever invented. Though we debate whether tweaks in criminal policy, such as executing murderers versus locking them up for life, can reduce violence by a few percentage points, there can be no debate on the massive effects of having a criminal justice system as opposed to living in anarchy. The shockingly high homicide rates of pre-state societies, with to 10 to 60 percent of men dying at the hands of other men, provide one kind of evidence. Another is the emergence of a violent culture of honour in just about any corner of the world that is beyond the reach of the law. Many historians argue that people acquiesced to centralized authorities during the Middle Ages and other periods to relieve themselves of the burden of having to retaliate against those who would harm them and their kin. And the growth of those authorities may explain the hundredfold decline in homicide rates in European societies since the Middle Ages. The United States saw a dramatic reduction in urban crime rates from the first half of the nineteenth century to the second half, which coincided with the formation of professional police forces in the cities. The causes of the decline in American crime in the 1990s are controversial and probably multifarious, but many criminologists trace it in part to more intensive community policing and higher incarceration rates of violent criminals.

              The inverse is true as well. When law enforcement vanishes, all manner of violence breaks out: looting, settling old scores, ethnic cleansing, and petty warfare among gangs, warlords, and mafias. This was obvious in the remnants of Yugoslavia, the Soviet Union, and parts of Africa in the 1990s, but can also happen in countries with a long tradition of civility. As a young teenager in proudly peaceable Canada during the romantic 1960s, I was a true believer in Bakunin’s anarchism. I laughed off my parents’ argument that if government ever laid down its arms all hell would break loose. Our competing predictions were put to the test at 8:00 A.M. on October 17, 1969, when the Montreal police went on strike. By 11:20 A.M. the first bank was robbed. By noon most downtown stores had closed because of looting. Within a few more hours, taxi drivers burned down a garage of a limousine service that had competed with them for airport costumers, a rooftop sniper killed a provincial police officer, rioters broke into several hotels and restaurants, and a doctor slew a burglar in his suburban home. By the end of the day, six banks had been robbed, a hundred shops had been looted, twelve fires had been set, forty carloads of storefront glass had been broken, and three million dollars in property damage had been inflicted, before city authorities had to call in the army and, of course, the Mounties to restore order. This decisive empirical test left my politics in tatters (and offered a foretaste of life as a scientist).

              The Blank Slate by Steven Pinker; page 330-331

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              • Goeie man daardie Steven Pinker. Dis ‘n baie goeie voorbeeld daardie.

                Ek het ook ‘n baie interresante artikel gelees. Ek post die kern hier onder:

                “The effect of legalized abortion on crime (sometimes referred to as the Donohue-Levitt hypothesis) is the theory that legal abortion reduces crime. Proponents of the theory generally argue that since unwanted children are more likely to become criminals and that an inverse correlation is observed between the availability of abortion and subsequent crime. Not only that, but children born under these conditions are usually less fortunate as enough preparation was not put in place for their birth and upbringing. In particular, it is argued that the legalization of abortion in the United States, largely due to the Supreme Court’s decision in Roe v. Wade, has reduced crime in the late 20th and early 21st centuries. Opponents generally reject these statistics, and argue that abortion has negative effects on society or decrease in crime is brought about in other ways.

                Steven Levitt of the University of Chicago and John Donohue of Yale University revived discussion of this claim with their 2001 paper “The Impact of Legalized Abortion on Crime”. Donohue and Levitt point to the fact that males aged 18 to 24 are most likely to commit crimes. Data indicates that crime in the United States started to decline in 1992. Donohue and Levitt suggest that the absence of unwanted aborted children, following legalization in 1973, led to a reduction in crime 18 years later, starting in 1992 and dropping sharply in 1995. These would have been the peak crime-committing years of the unborn children.
                The authors argue that states that had abortion legalized earlier and more widespread should have the earliest reductions in crime. Donohue and Levitt’s study indicates that this indeed has happened: Alaska, California, Hawaii, New York, and Washington experienced steeper drops in crime, and had legalized abortion before Roe v. Wade. Further, states with a high abortion rate have experienced a greater reduction in crime, when corrected for factors like average income.[3] Finally, studies in Canada and Australia purport to have established a correlation between legalized abortion and overall crime reduction.[3]”

                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legalized_abortion_and_crime_effect

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                • Hierdie teorie laat die fundies natuurlik in hulle broeke kak.

                  God wil onder geen omstandighede toelaat dat ‘n vrou enige beheer oor haar geslags organe uitoefen nie.

                  Nie net sommer enige god nie, al die gotte in vandag se gelowe. Dit is darem een ding waaroor al die mans wat vir hierdie spoke bid mee saamstem.

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                • Yes, so true. But the godbots reject these studies, as they reject the scientific findings of evolution, amongst other things.

                  I remember when apartheid came to an end and women (mostly black) strongly advocated to have abortion legalized. There were regularly programmes on TV where this topic was discussed and I distinctly remember one: This white woman was taking the anti-abortion stand (propagating Christianity) talking the normal crap about the child being a gift from God, etc. The woman (black) who answered her from the stand asked: Where are you and your church when this unwanted child grows in the womb and needs medical attention? Where are you and your church when this child is born and needs food and shelter?

                  It does no good shouting Jesus, Jesus amen, but then sit on your arse and try to think what is the best for other people.

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                  • Regtig? Maw. dis maar reg om rond te hoer en rumoer sonder enige vorm van beskerming of kontrasepsie, want jy kan maar aborsie as ‘n tipe kontrasepsie gebruik na die tyd? Never mind dat die baba in die proses vermoor word. Is dit regtig jou standpunt? Iemand wat dit doen is verseker ‘n moordenaar. Dis jammer dat dit wettig is. Aborsie is dalk wel toelaatbaar in sekere gevalle, maar verseker nie on demand nie. Julle wat so dink moet nie toegelaat word om kinders te hê nie. Al waaroor ek jammer is, is dat mense wat so dink en doen nie self ge-aborteer is nie! Waar is die respek vir ander se lewens? Dis barbaars. Gaan kyk bietjie na pregnancy scans en dink weer – jou wetenskap sal duidelik vir jou wys dat dit ‘n absolute weerlose mens is wat vermoor word. En weet jy wat die effek is op die ma? Jy’t nie ‘n clue waaroor jy hier praat nie. En moet nie met die stront kom van “waar’s die kerk”, etc. etc. nie. Baie mense wil baba’s aanneem, maar kan nie, want daar is nie – want hulle word sommer gemaklik ge-aborteer. Gaan jy bietjie en laat jou dogter ‘n aborsie ondergaan en kyk watter effek dit op haar het, dan praat ons weer – dis nou te sê as jy nie jou dogter laat aborteer het nie. En wat evolusie hiermee te doen het, sal net jy seker weet, maar ek stel nie belang in die verklaring nie.

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                    • En jy noem jouself ‘n Christen na hierdie galbraak?

                      “Iemand wat dit doen is verseker ‘n moordenaar.”

                      “Julle wat so dink moet nie toegelaat word om kinders te hê nie.”

                      “Al waaroor ek jammer is, is dat mense wat so dink en doen nie self ge-aborteer is nie! ”

                      Sjoe, Analfa, sjoe!

                      ” En weet jy wat die effek is op die ma?”

                      Die ma vra duidelik daarvoor.

                      “En moet nie met die stront kom van “waar’s die kerk”

                      Dis nie stront nie – ek vra weer, waar is die kerk? Afwesig, want julle godbots kan baie praat maar bitter min doen, behalwe om te veroordeel.

                      “Gaan jy bietjie en laat jou dogter ‘n aborsie ondergaan en kyk watter effek dit op haar het, dan praat ons weer – dis nou te sê as jy nie jou dogter laat aborteer het nie.”

                      Analfa, jy is ‘n onintelligente persoon wat nou eers sy ware kleure wys – wat ek hierbo geskryf het het op ‘n baie sensitiewe senuwee van jou gedruk.Dit is hoe julle godbots maar almal optree – êrens druk iemand op daardie senuwee en dan gaan julle ballistic. (Nie te lank terug het julle nog die mag gehad om so ‘n persoon te laat “vermoor” in liewe Jesus se naam.)

                      (Alhoewel ek moet erken, ek was in Analfa se geval baie naïef. McBrolloks, en veral Malherbe, het hom (Analfa nou) lank terug korrek opgesom.)

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                    • Ag tog Savage, jy weet niks van hoe ek is nie. Jy het geen vermoë om mense op te som nie. Die feit is, miljoene babas word vermoor – ma’s se wense word belangriker geag as die lewens van kinders. Natuurlik is dit moord. En jy praat dit goed! Natuurlik noem ek myself ‘n Christen – hoekom sal my stellings nou sodanig iets anders bewys? Hoekom doen jy nie iets om aborsies te probeer verminder nie, eerder as die lof te besing van die wat moord pleeg. Verwag jy Christene moet stilbly oor moord – jy’s mal as jy so dink. “Ware kleure” se dinges man – dis oor jy nie Christene verstaan nie dat jy nou gryp na “ware kleure”. Aborsies wys duidelik hoe mense teen God rebelleer – nes Kain wat die eerste moord gepleeg het oor sy selfsug. Kinders moet beskerm word teen die “likes” van julle wat aborsies goedpraat. Ek sal ook nie weer met jou online kommunikeer nie – want ek wil geensins meer iets met jou te doen hê nie. Ten minste het ek die guts om op te staan vir wat reg is, nie soos julle spul closet ateiste nie. Maar nou ja, ek sê weer: “Gaan jy bietjie en laat jou dogter ‘n aborsie ondergaan en kyk watter effek dit op haar het, dan praat ons weer – dis nou te sê as jy nie jou dogter laat aborteer het nie.” Julle ouens is sulke freeken ja-broers dit nie eens meer snaaks nie. Klaarblyklik het evolusie nie ver gevorder in julle nie – want lyk my julle is nie in staat tot die hoër emosies nie. Dis mos maar te verwagte van mense wie se enigste hoop daarin lê dat hulle nie more omkap en doodgaan nie. Malherbe en McBrolloks, laat weet my of julle ook pro-aborsie is sodat ek ons debatte kan kortknip – julle sal seker bly wes daaroor.

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                    • “Ek sal ook nie weer met jou online kommunikeer nie – want ek wil geensins meer iets met jou te doen hê nie.”

                      Ek het gewonder wanneer dìt gaan gebeur! Jy is nes die vele godbots wat hier en op ander blogs verskyn. Maak die argument ‘n bietjie ingewikkeld, druk ‘n bietjie op ‘n senuwee, en siedaar, godbot hardloop weg.

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                    • “The number of women who get abortions does not change when it goes from being legal to illegal, or vice versa. The only thing that changes is more women die.”

                      Jy antwoord nie op hierdie feit nie, Analfa, want jou intelligensie is te laag. Laat ek jou met ‘n paar argumente help.

                      1) Waar is jou god en jou kerk om onskuldige vrouens te help wat verkrag word en gedwing word om hierdie onwelkome kind te moet baar?

                      2) Waar is jou Christenskap gebêre as jy met stellings kom soos “dis nou te sê as jy nie jou dogter laat aborteer het nie.” Of met stellings soos ” is dat mense wat so dink en doen nie self ge-aborteer is nie!

                      3) Julle godbots sal toelaat dat vrouens dood gaan want êrens in julle koppe sê iets vir julle julle pas julle god se wil toe. Hoekom is julle god so lamsakkig dat hy nie self kan optree nie? Weet jy hoekom nie? Want hy bestaan nie. En nou moet ons na julle godbots luister oor wat julle god wil hê. Fok, maar julle is dom!

                      4) Wat gee jou die reg om al hierdie dinge kwyt te raak sonder dat jy ‘n enkele bewys het van die bestaan van jou god. Julle godbots is so arrogant dat julle vanselfsprekend aanneem dat julle vir julle god kan praat en vir hom kan optree.

                      Gaan maar rustig voort en praat met jou god se stem in jou kop, niemand sal jou juis hier mis nie.

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                    • Nee Savage, dis my laaste kommunikasie met jou omdat ek niks te doen wil hê met mense wat voorstaanders is van moord nie. Dit het niks met debatvoering te doen nie, jou idioot.

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                    • “..jou idioot.”

                      Haai, Analfa, lyk my daai senuwee is darem nou uiters gevoelig en seer, nè. As mens nie dinge soos julle godbots sien nie, is daar skielik nie meer ‘n debat nie.Nee, stem in beginsel saam met die godbots, en hulle sal jou akkomodeer rondom hulle self-geskepte gode.

                      Julle godbots is die idiote, Analfa, nie ons rassionele denkers nie.

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                    • OK Analafa, hou dan maar gerus op om met my te kommunikeer – ek is pro-aborsie. Ek is ook oortuig daarvan dat 100 jaar van nou af mense soos jy in ‘n gestig geplaas sal word vir jou lawwe stellings. Die mens het geen ander keuse om bitter vinnig plan te maak met geboortebepreking nie. En om ALLE tegnieke tot ons beskikking te gebruik vir hierdie doel. Ongewenste swangerskappe is ‘n werklikheid van ons samelewing en dit behoort elke vrou se reg te wees om hierdie besluit te neem. Daar kan lank geredekawel word oor presies wanneer ‘n lewe ‘n lewe is. Enige redelike mens sal erken dat dit beslis nie die oomblik van bevrugting is nie. Insgelyks sal meeste mense erken dat 9 maande hopeloos te laat is vir die uitvoering van aborsie. Die antwoord lê dus iewers tussenin. As iemand met geen mediese agtergrond nie, verlaat ek my en laat my lei deur die kundiges.

                      Wat egter soos ‘n paal bo water staan, is dat aborsie ‘n werklikheid is van ons tyd en dat dit meer algemeen in die toekoms sal wees. Die godiote sal aanvoer dat die gotte lewe geskep het en dat die mens nie die reg het om dit te vernietig nie, m.a.w. aborsie = moord. Weereens, enige redelike en rasionele denker behoort deur hierdie lam-perd-argument te sien.

                      Wat ek egter interessant vind, is dat dit gewoonlik dieselfde idiote is wat voorstanders is van die doodstraf (of aanvoer dat aborsie in orde is indien dit die gevolg van verkragting is), wat hewig gekant is daarteen dat ‘n vrou ‘n besluit rakende haar eie liggaam neem. Wat is die verskil? Hulle speel lustig god wanneer dit hul pas, maar wanneer nie, staan hulle terug en verklaar “dis nie god se wil nie.” Die oneerlikheid is skreiend.

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                    • Nee, hys aan die hardloop, Malherbe. Al die godbots is dieselfde – êrens krap jy ‘n gevoelige senuwee oop en in plaas van te debateer, word jy uitgevloek en hulle hardloop weg. En dan sê hulle hulle is “ware Christene”. As dit is hoe ‘n ware Christen lyk, is ek bly ek was nooit een nie.

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                    • Malherbe, jy stupidity wys duidelik. Aborsie is ver vewyder van die doodstraf. Die een is moord op onskuldige kinders – die ander is om geregtigheid op skuldige moordenaars toe te pas.

                      Voor jy aborsie so die “benefit of the doubt” gee omdat jy kwansuis niks van die mediesie wetenskap weet nie, gaan kyk gerus na scans van menslike embrio’s teen 24 weke en dink weer of jy dit nog steeds so maklik oor jou gewete kan kry.

                      Ons gesprek is ook op ‘n einde.

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                    • Soos altyd het jy nie my pos ordentlik gelees nie. Ek stel dit bloot dat ekself nie die kennis het om te bepaal op watter stadium die embrio as lewe geklassifiseer moet word nie. Ek laat my dus hier lei deur die kundiges. En jammer Analfa, jy tel beslis nie as kundige nie. Die feit dat ek en jy weet hoe ‘n 24 weke oue embrio lyk, beteken min.

                      Indien ek jou die vraag sou vra of aborsie in orde is 1 sekonde na bevrugting, wat sal jou antwoord wees? 2 Sekondes? Wat van 10 minute? Een dag? 2? Die punt wat ek probeer maak is dat ek bereid is om my te verlaat op die internasionaal aanvaarde norm rakende tydsverloop na bevrugting.

                      O ja, en jou dreigement dat jy nie meer met my gaan praat nie, neem ek maar ligtelik op. Dis nie die eerste keer dat jy my hiermee dreig nie. Komaan ou perd, wees nou braaf en voer jou dreigement uit. Ons is almal bietjie moeg vitr jou temende godiootisme. Ekself gaan jou nie mis nie, so los gerus hierdie site. Onthou net om weg te bly van buurman se donkie. Batgodvrede vir jou.

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                    • There once was a guy named Analfa
                      Sent to us by his God to repent
                      But he got his balls in a knot
                      And instead of coming he went

                      McBrolloks, Malherbe and Savaged
                      Refused to see Light of the Day
                      And Analfa was forced to return
                      Empty handed, scorned and ravaged

                      Analfa, his Lord said to him
                      How could you just simply give in
                      Go back to the scoundrels
                      And show them My mandrills
                      Since their arseholes are in for a ream

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