The Roman Catholic Church has been confronted by hard evidence that they were protecting their employees who raped children, for decades. It was their policy to shuffle these priests from one unsuspecting parish to another, over and over again, all over the world. They still sit there and deny it. What would Jesus do?

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UN panel confronts Vatican on child sex abuse by clergy

Archbishop Silvano Tomasi: “We are committed to holding inviolable the dignity … of every child”

The Vatican has been confronted publicly for the first time over the sexual abuse of children by clergy, at a UN hearing in Geneva.

Officials faced a barrage of hard questions covering why they would not release data and what they were doing to prevent future abuse.

They insisted the Church had learnt from the crisis and had taken action to prevent future abuse.

Victims’ advocates complained there was still too little transparency.

Last month, the Vatican refused a request from the UN’s Committee on the Rights of the Child (CRC) for data on abuse, on the grounds that it only released such information if requested to do so by another country as part of legal proceedings.

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The Holy See gets it that there are things that need to be done differently”

Bishop Charles SciclunaMember of Vatican delegation at hearing

The Vatican came to Geneva expecting a rough ride and it got one, the BBC’s Imogen Foulkes reports.

Victims say they hope the hearing, which is being broadcast live, will prompt the Church to end its “secrecy”.

Pope Francis announced last month that a Vatican committee would be set up to fight sexual abuse of children in the Church.

The Holy See is a signatory to the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, a legally binding instrument which commits it to protecting and nurturing the most vulnerable in society.

Teodoro Pulvirenti, who was abused as a teenager by an Italian priest: “It’s time for the church to stop the secrecy”

It ratified the convention in 1990 but after an implementation report in 1994 it did not submit any progress reports until 2012, following revelations of child sex abuse in Europe and beyond.

In a homily on Thursday, Pope Francis said abuse scandals were “the shame of the Church”.

‘Not very transparent'”The view of committee is that the best way to prevent abuses is to reveal old ones – openness instead of sweeping offences under the carpet,” Kirsten Sandberg, chairwoman of the 18-strong CRC, told the Vatican delegation.

“It seems to date your procedures are not very transparent.”

The Vatican was asked why it continued to describe abuse as an offence against morals rather than a crime against children.

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Catholic Church abuse scandals

  • Germany – A priest, named only as Andreas L, admitted in 2012 to 280 counts of sexual abuse involving three boys over a decade
  • United States – Revelations about abuses in the 1990s by two Boston priests, Paul Shanley and John Geoghan, caused public outrage
  • Belgium – The bishop of Bruges, Roger Vangheluwe, resigned in April 2010 after admitting that he had sexually abused a boy for years
  • Italy – The Catholic Church in Italy admitted in 2010 that about 100 cases of paedophile priests had been reported over 10 years
  • Ireland – A report in 2009 found that sexual and psychological abuse was “endemic” in Catholic-run industrial schools and orphanages for most of the 20th century

“Does the Holy See believe that paedophilia is something that can be successfully overcome?” was another question.

Archbishop Silvano Tomasi said: “To prevent abuse of minors is a real, immediate concern.”

On prosecution of offenders, he said priests were “not functionaries of the Vatican but citizens of their countries and fall under the jurisdiction of their own countries”.

When asked if the Vatican would hand over Archbishop Jozef Wesolowski, a Polish papal envoy recalled from the Dominican Republic in September amid claims of sexual abuse there, Archbishop Tomasi said he was being investigated by the Vatican’s own prosecutors.

A member of the CRC asked about the Church’s practice of moving priests suspected of abuse.

“It is a no-go simply to move people from one diocese to another,” said Bishop Charles Scicluna, the Vatican’s former chief prosecutor of clerical sexual abuse.

He insisted it was “not the policy of the Holy See to encourage cover-ups” but added: “The Holy See gets it that there are things that need to be done differently.”

‘Refused to answer’While Thursday’s questions were numerous and far-ranging, some observers vented frustration at the lack of specific answers.

Dr Austen Ivereigh, Catholic commentator: ‘[Catholic Church’s] measures… among best in world’

“Holy See: ‘We get it’ in UN review on child sexual abuse Catholic Church,” wrote the children’s rights watchdog CRIN in a tweet. “Do you? Why then don’t you make statistics public?”

Barbara Blaine, president of a group representing US victims of abuse by priests, told BBC News that the hearing had brought “hope to victims across the globe”.

But it would also stand, she said, as a “record of how the Church officials refused to answer the questions, how they claim to be open and transparent, and yet they don’t live up to that ideal”.

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    • I agree. Shows you how religion rots away critical thinking capabilities. For the RCC the bottom line is still all about the money. Ker-ching!!!! How much is it going to cost them and how much has it cost them so far. They don’t give a damn about the children who’s lives they destroyed all over the world. Seems everywhere these guys operate, there are serious human right abuses in just about every level and every field they have a hand in.

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  1. I believe, I believe ons is in ons moer in. Heerlikheid ons vrek van die hitte!Global warming people! Stop fucking and making babies! Plant trees motherfuckers! Hoe meer mense daar is hoe meer huishoudings, geboue, winkelsentrums, sportstadions ens is daar wat met krag gesupply moet word. Dit beteken meer steenkool word gebrand. Dit beteken meer CO2. Nie net steenkool verbranding nie maar ook woude wat uitgekap word vir plantasies. Woude word ook gebrand, nog rook, nog CO2. Ek sien gereeld hoe maak mense bome af, partykeer is dit uitheemse bome soos blackwattel en bloekom en Jacaranda. Maar ander kere inheems soos papierbas. Maar nee ons kan mos net gebedjies se en die weer kom reg. As dit goed gaan is dit die genade van die here, as dit sleg gaan is dit een moerse toeval. Dit kan mos nie die here wees nie. Watter vertraagde common sense. Ek fokken haat dit as mense vir my se hulle het ‘n goeie oes gehad, die here het hulle geseen.

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    • Ek is net bly jy is nog met ons. Ja bly. En die globale verhitting kan jy nie op die voorstoep van “kerke” plaas nie, maar die wetenskap. So terwyl die grondboontjie gallery moun en biets oor die lantente homoseksuele wat met kinders lol – veroorsaak die wetenskap dat die aarde ten gronde gaan

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      • Global heating is the result of using outmoded technology when alternatives such as nuclear power exist. We have a come a long way in safety measures since Chernobyl in 1985. Nuclear power is expensive to install and people are focussed on short term profit, that is the problem.

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    • The press release below is still from last year but the fact remains that consumers cannot afford annual electricity price increases of 8%, one on top of the other. Less power will be consumed in homes, but shopping malls and government buildings will continue to chow down power and pass the cost on to us. I hate shopping malls like the plague and am happy that the weak rand and high bond yields result in higher borrowing costs for developers so that less of these monstrosities go up in future. People can barely afford staple foods with these electricity price hikes so what do we need designer boutiques and expensive but boring chain restaurants for.

      “The National Energy Regulator of South Africa (Nersa) announced on Thursday that Eskom would be allowed to increase electricity tariffs at an average yearly rate of 8% between 2013 and 2018 – an increase that was half the 16% sought by the utility in its application for the third multiyear price determination (MYPD3) period.

      “In fact, the State-owned utility had requested an allowable revenue allocation of nearly R1.1-trillion, which would have increased its average selling price from 61c/kWh currently to a nominal 128c/kWh by 2017/18, or a real price of 96c/kWh.

      “The approved tariff increases, which were premised on an allowable revenue of R906.6-billion, would result in the electricity price increasing to 89.13c/kWh by the end of the MYPD3.

      “From April 1, 2013, Eskom would be allowed to raise its average selling price to 65.51c/kWh. The prices would then rise to 70.75c/kWh in 2014/15, 76.41c/kWh in 2015/16 and 82.53c/kWh in 2016/17. An indication was also given that the price path should transition back towards inflation-type levels during the MYPD4 period.

      “Eskom’s application came in for strong criticism during public hearings, which took place in all nine provinces during January and February.”

      From here: http://www.engineeringnews.co.za/article/nersa-grants-eskom-yearly-increases-of-8-between-2013-and-2018-2013-02-28

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    • Oh and by the way, it doesn’t stop at Eskom raising its prices by 8%. The municipalities get in on the act by adding their own percentage on top of the 8% which varies from province to province and follows no particular logic. I suppose that is one way of slowing down global warming: make Eskom unviable.

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    • Adriaan ons almal voer maar ‘n stryd met die lewe, moenie alleen voel nie, die onsekere realiteit vereis van ons almal ‘n “reaksie” en dis nie altyd maklik nie, soos Scott Peck dit noem, as ons eers aanvaar dat die lewe nie maklik is nie dan kan ons dit oorbrug en die beste daarvan maak.

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      • The trouble with fundamentalists, Johann, is that you believe in a God that is unchanging. This is typical of people who cannot accept societal changes or advances in science and technology. It is too threatening to your static viewpoint of what, in your opinion, “should be”, rather than what is. But it is not possible for mankind to stand still. You can either go forward or you can go backward, but you can’t stand still. Taking the geloofsprong is jumping backward into the stone age.

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        • The trouble with atheists Molly is that you believe in principles (“deity?”)that are unchanging for eg. that everything should be postulated and then proven. Typical of people blinded by arrogance and your own “thoughts” of superior intellect. It’s more important to prove the “others” wrong than to find a place for yourself where you can experience life, the universe and everything that you can enjoy or find meaningful. If you’ve never done the leap of faith then you only assume that you know what it is, if you want to know what it is then just do it, what can be so terrible about that or anything? Or are you too static like the fundamentalists?

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  2. Pastor on rape charges denied bail
    January 22, 2014 Henri Le Riche

    Pretoria – After threatening two of his victims with the wrath of God, a pastor accused of raping several of his church congregants was on Tuesday denied bail by the Pretoria Magistrate’s Court.

    During his bail application, which started on Friday, the investigating officer’s affidavit read that two of the victims received threatening SMSes from Brian Banda Chimbano, 48, of Believers Family Church.

    The text messages said God would punish them for laying charges against him.

    One of the victims was 15 years old at the time of her alleged rape in 2012.

    Despite claims that Chimbano would not attempt to contact witnesses, magistrate Nozipho Mncube found it would not be “in the interests of justice” for him to be granted bail and said the SMSes were damning evidence to the contrary.

    It is believed Chimbano met his victims in his church office in Pretoria West for meetings that often carried on into the early hours of the morning.

    He would allegedly invite them to his house in Moreleta Park, but take them to a guest house in Meyerspark under false pretences.

    At the guest house, Chimbano would allegedly invite the victim into the room, take off his clothes and apparently force the girls into bed with him.

    In Chimbano’s affidavit, read out on Friday, he accused his ex-wife and a former pastor at the church of plotting against him.

    He claimed his former wife harboured resentment towards him following their divorce in September.

    Mncube deemed these allegations “highly improbable and highly unlikely”.

    She said it was unlikely that Chimbano’s ex-wife and the former pastor at his church would team up and conspire to have him removed from the church.

    Chimbano said he would plead not guilty to the charges levelled against him, promising to “clear his name” that had been “dragged through the mud”.

    Chimbano is a Zambian national who has been living in South Africa for 14 years. He has a South African ID. He has one child.

    In his affidavit, he claimed to have handed over his passport to the police, but the investigating officer’s affidavit claimed the contrary.

    After the proceedings, members and former members of the church cheered outside the courtroom.

    The matter resumes on January 27.

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      • “Religion is like a penis
        It’s fine if you have one
        It’s fine if you’re proud of it
        But don’t take it out and wave it around in public
        And don’t try to shove it down other people’s throats.”

        From a road sign someone put up in the US. Seen from this perspective, evangelism is just another form of pornography.

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  3. Off topic, but sexual abuse is not the only abuse fundies try to dish out. Have you ever noticed how some Christians behave like dogs watching you eat? They notice every bite you take, everything you possess, every friend who comes to visit you? My fundie neighbours make a point of ostentatiously using a rake for clearing up leaves when they could easily afford a blower which only costs a couple of hundred rand. They are so hard pressed for money or leisure that they can’t replace their eyesore torn awning facing onto their neighbour’s property (mine), the implication being that if you don’t like it, come and fix it yourself. The wife does not work because of her “depression” and pretends to be a “creative homemaker”. She creates nothing but trouble and tries to flog crappy cosmetics that nobody wants and runs boohoo to her neighbour when one of her “clients” has cancelled her order and she is now out of pocket. The sucker neighbour buys a tube of hand cream she doesn’t need and the fundie has her money. Their latest ongoing exploit is trying to claim money from the husband’s ex wife’s deceased estate which they haven’t a hope in hell of getting, despite the wife sucking up to the ex’s two daughters and the husband trying to prevail on the daughters’ sense of Christian responsibility.

    CHRISTIAN SCHNORRERS

    Jack and Rhonda are schnorrers extraordinaire. They have elevated freeloading into high art. Their subtlety and finesse are so perfected that you don’t even realize you’re being scammed. They are visionaries when it comes to finding kind-hearted folks who will feel sorry for them. After working their way through every relative and friend, they have found it profitable to be “good Christians”, and have discovered that churches are the perfect hunting grounds for preying on soft touches who will give them handouts. They establish themselves in a church, come across as very sweet and sincere folks who have their share of hard luck, insinuate themselves into the congregation, make friends, bilk as much as they can out of each church member, and then pick up and move on to the next church when folks start catching on and the well runs dry.

    Rhonda doesn’t spend all day watching soap operas for nothing. She thinks of daytime TV as a distance-learning, home study, college course. She has an Oscar-worthy act that would rival the best of the soap opera drama queens, and her timing is impeccable when it comes to milking an opportunity for all it’s worth. She will wait until the week before Christmas, and then she will choose her mark, usually a kind-hearted church lady or elderly neighbor. She will strike up a conversation, showing an interest in the victim’s life. Then, in the middle of discussing the weather or her mark’s health, she will casually ask if the other lady has finished her Christmas shopping. This is the set-up. Upon hearing the answer, whatever it is, she will up the ante, making a comment along the lines of “I haven’t even started my Christmas shopping yet.”

    Naturally, the mark will ask why, giving Rhonda the chance to go in for the kill. Rhonda will cast her welling-up eyes downward as if embarrassed, and quietly whisper that she HAS NO MONEY to buy anything for her children. Dabbing at her escaping tears, she’ll add, “I just don’t know what I’m going to do this year.” Whereupon the pigeon will say “There, there, don’t cry. Please let me help” as she digs out her wallet or checkbook. Rhonda will weakly protest, “No, you don’t have to do that. That’s not why I told you. I just needed some prayer….”, but she’ll take the money anyway, with sad eyes and “sincere” thanks.

    And that night, you’ll run into her and her family, eating out at the Olive Garden. The thing is, Rhonda won’t have had this “embarrassing, hush-hush” little conversation with just one person. She pigeonholed one mark after church one week, and another the next week. She conned one person before church and another one after church. At the Women’s Ministry meeting that week, she scammed money out of yet another sucker. She’s good for two or three people at the church Christmas Party, managing to get each one alone and in private, drawing them stealthily away from the crowd and into a corner or another room.

    And although Christmas is a veritable windfall of excuses to hit up good-hearted folks who are in a charitable and generous mood, Rhonda doesn’t miss any of a myriad of other opportunities to score during the year. On Father’s Day, her father will be dying in the hospital, and she will not have enough money to buy gas so she can visit him on the last Father’s Day he’ll ever have. Her mother will be getting kicked out of her apartment, and Rhonda will not have enough money to help her pay the rent. Her children will be starting school next week, and Rhonda will not have enough money to buy them clothes or school supplies. There will be two feet of snow on the ground and Rhonda will come to church in summer shoes because she doesn’t have enough money to buy boots.

    Rhonda and Jack are geniuses at making you WANT to give them money. Their round-about hints and tactics are an almost subliminal form of brainwashing. Suddenly you’ll realize you just handed one of them $50, and you’re not even sure what just happened.

    One of their best tricks is to only ask for SMALL amounts of money. And most of the time, they don’t even ask outright, they just hint. If they asked for $100 or so, people would hesitate, and many would not be able to afford to help them. It sounds more pathetic to ask for, or say that you need, only a pittance, and their marks think “Well, gee, I can afford $20 so they can buy school supplies for their kids.” The thing is, they get $20 from you, $10 from someone else, $30 from yet another person, $15 from somebody else, and it all adds up. Their strategy is to ask for a tiny amount of money, but ask for it from a large number of people. They pretend to be “ashamed” to have to accept your money, so you don’t tell anyone else about it, because you don’t want to embarrass them. So they are able to go from one to the other and run the same con on each person. It works like a charm, until, usually after catching them in a lie or a contradiction, everybody finally starts comparing notes and wising up.

    An even more subtle trick involves never actually ASKING or MENTIONING that they want money, but instead THANKING the mysterious, nameless people who have given them money in the past. Jack will often tell his “testimony” of the people who have so generously helped him, folks who came to the rescue just in time to save him and his family from financial disaster, and how grateful he was to them. He won’t mention names, but he will talk about how kind and wonderful they were, how they blessed him, and how God then blessed them for giving more than they really could afford, just to help his family. His appreciation is so great that he still tells people about his “heroes” all these years later. By the time he’s done, folks are just about lining up to be another one of Jack’s heroes. Wouldn’t YOU also want to be one of the people who have helped Jack and his family? Wouldn’t it make you feel good to have this man be so grateful for any small amount you can give? Plus, it’s what God wants you to do. And then God will reward you and bless you.

    But, if you listen carefully as Jack repeats the same stories, eventually things will start getting interesting. Jack will start to slip up. He’ll contradict himself. The details will change. It will be the same basic plot, but he’ll forget what he said the last time he told it.

    One of Jack favorite pathetic fairy tales is how, about a year ago (or was it last week? Or 10 years ago?), he and Rhonda and the kids were down to their last item of food. At various times, it’s been their last box of cereal, their last package of hot dogs, their last loaf of bread, their last bottle of baby formula, or the bottom of their last jar of peanut butter. They prayed and prayed for God to provide (And they also told a dozen neighbors and church members all about their predicament, and how they were praying for help).

    Then, a miracle! Depending on which version you’re hearing, a car drove up their driveway, someone walked up the driveway, somebody knocked on the door, or they heard someone ring their doorbell. And there on the porch was standing a woman/ man/ teenager/ neighbor/ church member whom they knew, with A) Bags of groceries, B) A car trunk full of food, C) Home-cooked meals for the next week, D) Gift certificates for the local supermarket, E) An envelope full of cash, or F) a check for anywhere from $25 to $2000. Take your pick. The only significant plot deviation is that occasionally the check arrives in the mail or the food/ groceries/ envelope of cash is anonymously left on the porch. Even more convenient- now they don’t even have to invite the donor in and show a little hospitality.

    By some strange coincidence, these “miracles from God” always seem to occur after Jack and Rhonda have spread their latest hard-luck story around to a few dozen soft-hearted saps. Many times, the “miracle” appeared on the porch on Sunday evening or Monday morning, after a particularly productive day at church. You can’t say “God gave it to you” if you told ten or fifteen people you needed it, and one of them finally anteed up. The only way you can claim that God provided is if you keep your needs to yourself, don’t tell anyone, and just pray about it. Then when a miracle happens and your prayers are answered, you can truthfully say that God did it.

    Sometimes, along with living a lie and continually having to fake poverty in order to sponge off others, comes a unique kind of paranoia. Rhonda and Jack are super-defensive about anything nice they might be “caught with”, quick to jump in with an explanation when no explanation is necessary, lest you think they really CAN afford the normal niceties of life without your help. If you compliment Rhonda on her dress, instead of saying “Thank you” and leaving it at that, the first thing out of her mouth will be that her sister gave it to her, or that she bought it at a 75% off sale. If you happen to mention that her kids look cute, she will immediately start explaining that she bought their outfits at the thrift shop for $5.00.

    Nobody asked how much anything cost. People are simply trying to be friendly and polite by complimenting her or her kids. They don’t need to know, or care to know, the price of everything on Rhonda and her family’s backs. When someone compliments you, all that is called for is a smile and a simple “Thank you. How kind of you to say so”, not a guilty explanation, as if you were caught with your hand in the cookie jar. Rhonda is so quick to explain away everything from a new haircut to a new pair of shoes that you get the distinct impression she rehearsed the story beforehand. She prepared in advance for the possibility of someone noticing her new dress, so she could still be free to actually WEAR her new dress in public while continuing her ruse of not being able to AFFORD a new dress. It takes effort and premeditation to keep making people feel sorry for you when you have better clothes than they do.

    Whenever they move on to a new church, Jack, who plays the guitar, immediately volunteers for the music ministry, so that he can “give something back” and “serve the Lord”. He quickly becomes accepted into the inner circle and well-known as a humble servant, ready to help out the church with his musical gift. He’s such a nice man, and the church is so blessed to have him and his family as members.

    But after a few weeks, disaster strikes! As the congregation files in for Sunday service, they will be surprised to see Jack sitting forlornly in the pew with Rhonda, instead of up front tuning his guitar with the band. Of course, EVERYBODY is going to ask Jack what happened. Why isn’t he playing his guitar this week? Jack will smile sweetly and thank them for asking. He’ll explain that his strings are broken, stretched out, and/or too old to hold a tune anymore, and that he’ll buy new set as soon as he “gets his tax return”. Then he’ll be right back up there, playing all the hymns everybody loves so much and a-praisin’ God! So, one by one, before and after service, people will quietly approach him or Rhonda, so as not to shame them, whisper something about how they’d like to donate toward the church’s music ministry and Jack could put it to good use by buying a set of guitar strings, and hand him a check, or slip $20 into his pocket. Before he goes home that afternoon, Jack will have collected enough money from the generous church folk to buy a whole new guitar.

    The last time Jack pulled the too-poor-to-afford-a-pack-of-guitar-strings-till-I-get-my-income-tax-return scam, it was in the month of May. Unfortunately, he had forgotten going out for a night on the town back in February, and running into church members Tina and Kyle. Surprised to see the normally rumpled Jack all decked out in an expensive new suit, Tina and Kyle complimented him on how nice he looked and what a beautiful suit he was wearing. Whereupon Jack told them that all his clothes were old and in bad shape, and that he had desperately needed some nice clothes to go job-hunting. But thank God, he had JUST GOTTEN HIS TAX RETURN, and used it to buy a couple of new suits!

    Tina and Kyle remembered thinking at the time that it seemed awfully soon to get a tax return, being only February, and that Jack must have filed his taxes very early to get his refund so fast. So imagine their consternation when they heard Jack claim in MAY that he was still waiting for the tax return he supposedly got THREE MONTHS AGO, in FEBRUARY. Distressed at noticing their church family members quietly slipping Jack and Rhonda money for “guitar strings”, and horrified at realizing they were all being played for fools, Tina and Kyle enlightened the others.

    By that time, many had already noticed inconsistencies in the tall tales Jack and Rhonda would tell, and Tina and Kyle’s revelation made them even more suspicious of Jack and Rhonda’s true motives, and true financial situation. The church folk stopped getting taken in by Jack and Rhonda’s tales of woe and stopped giving them handouts. Shortly thereafter, Jack and Rhonda left the church, and moved on to the next one.

    THE PITY PLOY OF THE SOCIOPATH

    One way to tell a sociopath is that sooner or later, if necessary to manipulate you into giving him what he wants, he will try a pity ploy. Or he might have an ongoing, perpetual sob story, making it seem like he’s always down on his luck and never gets a break. A perverted twist on this is some statement to the effect that “bad people (or wicked, or sinful) always get away with everything” accompanied by a wistful sigh. The implication being “I’m good, so I always get nothing…”, or “If I wanted to be bad like everybody else, then I’d have a better life like them, too….”

    Most narcissists trot out their sob stories just for attention. They’re always poor, sick, in trouble, or have somebody mad at them or picking on them. No matter what anybody else is going through, they’re going through worse. They want you to feel sorry for them, and they thrive on being the center of attention, no matter what it takes to stay center-stage.

    Schnorrers, however, tell their tales of woe with another purpose in mind. They want more from you than mere attention. They want favors, invitations, gifts, or money. Freeloaders have absolutely no pride and no shame when it comes to making people feel sorry for them. It might be a perpetual “illness”, or an unending variety of mysterious illnesses. It might be crying poverty, falling on hard times that conveniently last for years and decades. Putting it in perspective, they don’t invent anything that every other normal adult doesn’t go through at one time or another, and manages to handle without schnorring off other people. But THEIR crises are always “overwhelming”, things they just don’t know what to do about, except to shamelessly beg for help.

    http://www.luke173ministries.org/595297

    I have had so much ENOUGH of my freeloading, pity mongering neighbour that whenever she beams her shiny face in my direction, I scream, “Get thee behind me, Satan!” Only radical methods work.

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  4. Talking of abuse, I see old Solly Ozrowech is in some deep dwang because of sexual abuse of young boys when he was in charge of an orphanage back in the days. Meantime he is selling books on how to bring up kids in the name of the gotte….

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    • Magda van Zyl writes on behalf of Jesus:

      Los Oom Solly uit dat hy sy oudag in vrede kan lewe. Die Here het hom lankal vergewe. Ek lees nog elke dag sy dag stukkies en put vrede daar uit. Die klaers het baie lank tyd gehad om die saak reg te stel. Ek is jammer vir hulle maar waarom moet hy erken voor hulle hom kan vergewe

      http://www.dieburger.com/nuus/2014-01-29-ozrovech-boeke-van-winkelrakke-gehaal

      Old sleazeball Woody Allen enjoys the same misplaced tolerance for sexually assaulting a seven year old adopted daughter in 1992. His loyal fans say his ex wife Mia Farrow put the daughter up to it. I doubt that an ex would still have an axe to grind after 22 years.

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    • Never having heard of Solly Ozrovech I looked him up on the internet. What a load of saccharine drivel this old fart spouts. Why are there so many religious Afrikaners in this country? The women are the worst. The only way to get this sugared cyanide out of Afrikaners is for them to emigrate to secular societies.

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    • I keep waiting for my fundie neighbour to get one of her friends to start yelling Christian profanities at me over the not yet full height hedge between us. I will challenge them to place a burning cross in one of our black neighbours’ driveway, and see how brave they are about that. This attempted mind control is residual fascism from apartheid. The Catholics were of course the biggest fascists of all. Amazing what people will do when they know they don’t have eternal life but would like to see others burn in hell. What’s the fun in that? It’s not as if you’re going to be around to watch.

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  5. PHILLIP SEYMOUR HOFFMAN IS DEAD

    He died from an overdose of painkillers; e.g. heroin. He had been in plenty of rehab yet it didn’t seem to solve his problem. It wasn’t the drugs that did him in; it was the pain. He was simply the carrier. Since he was the carrier, killing the pain meant ultimately killing himself.

    And what was he carrying? Here lies the rub. Because he was carrying around a load of pain from his earliest months; something invisible, not obvious and very well hidden inside. Yet this is the epoch to be treated as well as later pains, and it is precisely the epoch avoided in all rehabs and therapies. Why? Because it is not obvious and cannot be easily ferreted out. These pains from birth and gestation lay down a basic strata of pain upon which it becomes compounded throughout our lives, a due lack of love and harm continues. We can see the lack of love, the neglect and avoidance, which can be treated; but the greatest force of the pain is neglected. It is here during the beginnings of our neuronal development and adversity that our nervous system becomes rerouted and deep agony is embedded. It changes the whole system and installs serious pain, which can last a lifetime. So when he reverses and goes back to drugs it cannot be a surprise. The pain remains and is engraved. He carries it around all of the time, whether he is aware of it or not. And it drives him to seek relief no matter his efforts at rehab.

    It is not he who has failed therapy. It is the therapy and rehab that has failed him, all the while going through the motions of getting well, yet never touching the basic cause of his pain. I am writing about first-line, brainstem imprints, which we have seen and studied for over forty years. When we see patients reliving lack of oxygen, the inability to exit the womb and dozens of our pains we know what is being laid down. These are far too powerful to be left in the hands of do-gooders with the best of intentions. It is science that we need; including the recent work of Moshe Szyf who notes that these early pains leave a trace, a marker that carries them forth inside of us. And what we hope to do through reliving is attack the trace at the source, relive the pain of it and reverse the imprint through demethylation. Take away the trace with its load of agony and its memory. In short, remove key aspects of the trace that spell constant, ineluctable hurt. Take the pain away, not the pain of later life, which needs to be dealt with, but the lower strata that produces the exacerbation of the agony.

    What does it mean that he did rehab? I have visited rehab centers where they really care about the addict, provide the best food possible, swimming pools, a whole new environment. And it lasts as long as the stay. Yes, it can last longer as the exhortation and new ideology implanted can carry him along for a time. But the demon imprint never, never leaves. It is not more concerted effort he needs; it is science.

    I have treated actors and I have found that the greater they are the more pain they carry. They can be anything to feel loved. “I will be anything or anyone you want so long as you love me, “ said one actress in therapy. And why are they so great? The emotions are breaking through at all times as they suffer damaged defenses. They cannot control their pain/emotions, which makes them great and in pain, a pain close to the top at all times. If they get away from it, they are lesser actors, an unavoidable law. So whether it is Brando or Hoffman, it is the same dynamic; I will be someone else so effectively that I will be praised for the performance. And why are the defenses so weak? Because they were damaged so early in life as to be defective for a lifetime. The defense system can only hold on for so long and then the biochemicals of repression such as serotonin give way. And what do we prescribe for those in pain? Serotonin, exactly what was depleted in the fight against monstrous early imprints. It is the weakening that makes defenses ineffective. And when there is later compounded pain on higher brain levels, the defenses suffer again. And the result? Addiction. The constant battle to put down the pain from early on, and the added neglect, lack of touch and love in childhood. You may get “love” from an audience but it is not the same as being hugged and loved very early on. But actors are willing to settle.

    So let us remember; when we kill pain we are literally killing ourselves.

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  6. Yahoo News!
    Arthur Janov Suggests that Stress During Pregnancy Leaves a Distinct Cellular Imprint that Predicts Mental Illness and Serious Disease

    In his new book, ‘Life Before Birth’ (NTI Upstream, Nov. 2011), Arthur Janov makes the case that events during pregnancy and the first years of life leave a distinct cellular imprint that predicts mental illness and serious disease.
    Read the full story:
    http://news.yahoo.com/arthur-janov-suggests-stress-during-pregnancy-leaves-distinct-071814068.html

    QUOTES FOR “LIFE BEFORE BIRTH”

    “Life Before Birth is a thrilling journey of discovery, a real joy to read. Janov writes like no one else on the human mind—engaging, brilliant, passionate, and honest.
    He is the best writer today on what makes us human—he shows us how the mind works, how it goes wrong, and how to put it right . . . He presents a brand-new approach to dealing with depression, emotional pain, anxiety, and addiction.”
    Paul Thompson, PhD, Professor of Neurology, UCLA School of Medicine

    Art Janov, one of the pioneers of fetal and early infant experiences and future mental health issues, offers a robust vision of how the earliest traumas of life can percolate through the brains, minds and lives of individuals. He focuses on both the shifting tides of brain emotional systems and the life-long consequences that can result, as well as the novel interventions, and clinical understanding, that need to be implemented in order to bring about the brain-mind changes that can restore affective equanimity. The transitions from feelings of persistent affective turmoil to psychological wholeness, requires both an understanding of the brain changes and a therapist that can work with the affective mind at primary-process levels. Life Before Birth, is a manifesto that provides a robust argument for increasing attention to the neuro-mental lives of fetuses and infants, and the widespread ramifications on mental health if we do not. Without an accurate developmental history of troubled minds, coordinated with a recognition of the primal emotional powers of the lowest ancestral regions of the human brain, therapists will be lost in their attempt to restore psychological balance.
    Jaak Panksepp, Ph.D.
    Bailey Endowed Chair of Animal Well Being Science
    Washington State University

    Dr. Janov’s essential insight—that our earliest experiences strongly influence later well being—is no longer in doubt. Thanks to advances in neuroscience, immunology, and epigenetics, we can now see some of the mechanisms of action at the heart of these developmental processes. His long-held belief that the brain, human development, and psychological well being need to studied in the context of evolution—from the brainstem up—now lies at the heart of the integration of neuroscience and psychotherapy.
    Grounded in these two principles, Dr. Janov continues to explore the lifelong impact of prenatal, birth, and early experiences on our brains and minds. Simultaneously “old school” and revolutionary, he synthesizes traditional psychodynamic theories with cutting-edge science while consistently highlighting the limitations of a strict, “top-down” talking cure. Whether or not you agree with his philosophical assumptions, therapeutic practices, or theoretical conclusions, I promise you an interesting and thought-provoking journey.
    Lou Cozolino, PsyD, Professor of Psychology, Pepperdine University

    In Life Before Birth Dr. Arthur Janov illuminates the sources of much that happens during life after birth. Lucidly, the pioneer of primal therapy provides the scientific rationale for treatments that take us through our original, non-verbal memories—to essential depths of experience that the superficial cognitive-behavioral modalities currently in fashion cannot possibly touch, let alone transform.
    Gabor Maté MD, author of In The Realm of Hungry Ghosts: Close Encounters With Addiction

    An expansive analysis! This book attempts to explain the impact of critical developmental windows in the past, implores us to improve the lives of pregnant women in the present, and has implications for understanding our children, ourselves, and our collective future. I’m not sure whether primal therapy works or not, but it certainly deserves systematic testing in well-designed, assessor-blinded, randomized controlled clinical trials.
    K.J.S. Anand, MBBS, D. Phil, FAACP, FCCM, FRCPCH, Professor of Pediatrics, Anesthesiology, Anatomy & Neurobiology, Senior Scholar, Center for Excellence in Faith and Health, Methodist Le Bonheur Healthcare System

    A baby’s brain grows more while in the womb than at any time in a child’s life. Life Before Birth: The Hidden Script That Rules Our Lives is a valuable guide to creating healthier babies and offers insight into healing our early primal wounds. Dr. Janov integrates the most recent scientific research about prenatal development with the psychobiological reality that these early experiences do cast a long shadow over our entire lifespan. With a wealth of experience and a history of successful psychotherapeutic treatment, Dr. Janov is well positioned to speak with clarity and precision on a topic that remains critically important.
    Paula Thomson, PsyD, Associate Professor, California State University, Northridge & Professor Emeritus, York University

    “I am enthralled.
    Dr. Janov has crafted a compelling and prophetic opus that could rightly dictate PhD thesis topics for decades to come. Devoid of any “New Age” pseudoscience, this work never strays from scientific orthodoxy and yet is perfectly accessible and downright fascinating to any lay person interested in the mysteries of the human psyche.”
    Dr. Bernard Park, MD, MPH

    His new book “Life Before Birth: The Hidden Script that Rules Our Lives” shows that primal therapy, the lower-brain therapeutic method popularized in the 1970’s international bestseller “Primal Scream” and his early work with John Lennon, may help alleviate depression and anxiety disorders, normalize blood pressure and serotonin levels, and improve the functioning of the immune system.
    One of the book’s most intriguing theories is that fetal imprinting, an evolutionary strategy to prepare children to cope with life, establishes a permanent set-point in a child’s physiology. Baby’s born to mothers highly anxious during pregnancy, whether from war, natural disasters, failed marriages, or other stressful life conditions, may thus be prone to mental illness and brain dysfunction later in life. Early traumatic events such as low oxygen at birth, painkillers and antidepressants administered to the mother during pregnancy, poor maternal nutrition, and a lack of parental affection in the first years of life may compound the effect.
    In making the case for a brand-new, unified field theory of psychotherapy, Dr. Janov weaves together the evolutionary theories of Jean Baptiste Larmarck, the fetal development studies of Vivette Glover and K.J.S. Anand, and fascinating new research by the psychiatrist Elissa Epel suggesting that telomeres—a region of repetitive DNA critical in predicting life expectancy—may be significantly altered during pregnancy.
    After explaining how hormonal and neurologic processes in the womb provide a blueprint for later mental illness and disease, Dr. Janov charts a revolutionary new course for psychotherapy. He provides a sharp critique of cognitive behavioral therapy, psychoanalysis, and other popular “talk therapy” models for treating addiction and mental illness, which he argues do not reach the limbic system and brainstem, where the effects of early trauma are registered in the nervous system.
    “Life Before Birth: The Hidden Script that Rules Our Lives” is scheduled to be published by NTI Upstream in October 2011, and has tremendous implications for the future of modern psychology, pediatrics, pregnancy, and women’s health. Editor

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  7. Holy, you have been hogging this blog for such a long time now. You are intelligent and you know a lot, but you know all the wrong things. I sense that you are a very frustrated, angry person. Your life is continuously and incessantly full of drama.

    I am getting tired of all your ranting and raving about everyone out there. You are an extremely judgemental person. You seem to hate so many different types of people. You strike me as a very lonely, miserable person.

    When someone posts an opinion that is different from yours – in this case mine – you go on the attack, as you did

    Why don’t you give someone else a chance to say something, huh? And learn to debate subjects of discussion in a civil manner. Btw, I am not trolling you. I am responding to your attack on an opinion I posted with which you disagreed.

    Further…… back in 1965 Arthur Janov was your typical neurotic psychologist.
    He stumbled upon something, but was still totally in the dark. But he continued researching and learning, allowing himself to be open to what his ptients are telling him. Today, 49 years later, Primal therapy is a highly scientific. almost mathematically precise therapy. Should we blame the Wright brothers because their plane was not a modern Boeing passenger plane?

    You seem threatened by the fact that science has now finally nailed down the causes of insanity in this world. Why do you feel so threatened by information that you knew nothing about until I started posting about it?

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    • Fanie, if you don’t like my comments, then why are you reading them?

      You read every word I write, you are fascinated by me in spite of yourself. Why would that be? Is the transmigrated spirit of holyshmoly holding a cybergun to your head?

      What are you exactly? A psychotherapist? Why do you think Janov was a neurotic psychologist? Were you around in 1965 to be able to make that evaluation? Were you there when Philip Seymour Hoffman was suffering in utero so that 47 years later he was found dead with a heroin needle in his arm? You make a hell of a lot of assumptions about people you have never met.

      So what is your occupation, exactly.

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